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there's a whole fleet of them look on

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the nsa

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it was basically a cube with inside of

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so this isn't anything that just is

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limited to the united states

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it's a worldwide phenomenon

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hi everyone and welcome back to that ufo

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podcast you've heard enough from me this

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week in terms of update podcasts and

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other things so i'm going to get

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straight into this one

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because i want to make the most of the

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time so i'm really excited to speak to

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this guest

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as i know many of you are very keen to

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hear from him as well

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i have a journalist with the new york

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post and host of the basement office

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many of you will know him from

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stephen green street steven welcome to

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the podcast yeah thanks for having me on

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no listen it's uh it's good because i've

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been watching you for a while so it's

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nice to speak to you face to face uh

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watching the basement office and

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really enjoyed the content on there and

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you're a real presence on social media

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um you're you're not scared to speak

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your mind you've ruffled a few feathers

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recently

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but before i get to talking about the

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recent stuff i want to take a little

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step back

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and find a little bit about your your

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past your history and can i watch legit

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to where you are now

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um so growing up stephen did you have

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any interest in ufos or you know any

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associated phenomenon like that

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i did from an early age um

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i remember i saw the movie e.t in the

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movie theaters

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on its second release in the early 80s

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and that left a big impression

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on me and when i was a little kid i used

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walk around the woods looking for an

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alien buddy

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when i was a kid uh so yeah from an

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early age

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you know and then through my childhood

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sci-fi these were all big things to me

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but when i became you know an adult when

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of people and

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reignited a lot of people's passion for

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the subject and inquisitive nature

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did you ever have any like sightings

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growing up do you remember seeing any

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weird lights in the sky

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anything like that um well

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meaning around 10 11 12 years old

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proving grounds which is owned by the us

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my brother and i used to go outside at

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night and in the direction of avid

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improving ground we would see

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triangle-shaped lights

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one two three lights and then a

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whatever it was down to aberdeen proving

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ground and i remember we thought that

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um i had a big sighting of a like a real

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thing a real ufo

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triangle it was just two sticks like

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this there was no body

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and it was just hovering right over top

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not a sound not a and it was flying

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which was strange no jet sounds

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disappeared and that was

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a creepy experience was it moving pretty

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fast or was it going slowly like how how

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quickly did it go away

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no you know i i'm familiar with jets

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f-18 fly

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up close i've seen an f-16 fly up close

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that's pretty cool what yeah how did

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that impact you at all like

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because what i find really interesting

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this is something ryan sprague talks

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about you know the human approach to the

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subject and whatnot

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is these satans happen but then

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i've talked about mine

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plenty of times now on the podcast but

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people ask me oh

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and then what and well i went home and

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like and then i got up the next day and

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i went to work like life

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life goes on it's for all it's

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incredible to see and

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amazing to describe it's that's that

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life goes on life doesn't stop like

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what happened once that sighting had you

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exactly what you just said i mean i i

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immediately told a group of friends like

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right after i told a group of friends

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what i had seen

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and then yeah just life went on and it

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would just be a story i would tell

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about this experience that i had but it

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didn't like define my life or

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change my life or you know put me on a

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quest or

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a mission or something like that it was

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just it was just this really creepy

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weird experience that i had

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so that's awesome here though thanks for

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thanks for sharing that now listen your

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educational background a few people

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asked me about actually what's led you

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to the point where you have a role with

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the new york post as a journalist yeah

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so i my uh the beginning of my career i

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three feature-length documentary movies

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um about a variety of topics and

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some of them showed in movie theaters

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and then my next project was a reality

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show on mtv

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where i followed kesha the pop star

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for two years and filmed everything and

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and then i had a baby and i was like

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oh i i should probably get something

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that's more like secure

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and so uh new york post hired me

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that's how i ended up there nice uh and

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babies change lives we have just had a

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newborn and i've got a five-year-old a

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three-year-old and a

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12 week old almost now so it's a it's a

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but um i started the ufo podcast after

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i can imagine how busy it is and you're

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looking for that kind of regular income

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that job security now what is your role

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outside of ufo reporting i suppose we're

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hearing a little glimpse of potentially

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the kesha background and celebrity side

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yeah so i mean i'm the senior video

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produce and i'm hands-on

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all of the new york post's big

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documentary so anything that's

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that's like produced and shot and edited

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that's me and so most of my job has

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majority of my job has nothing to do

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i mean the last big documentary i did

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besides basement office was a 74 minute

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on this leonardo dicaprio movie

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it's like the only one of his movies

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that's not allowed to be screened and so

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the backstory as to why so yeah i have a

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assignments cool that's good to know

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spend so much time on this for some

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people it's their whole lives

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but for some of us we've got other

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full-time jobs and different aspects of

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now 2017 rolls around and you

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my immediate reaction to be honest with

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it was it sent shock waves through

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because it was the new york times and it

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was the washington post and it was

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journalistic media entities and they

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were validating a topic that for so long

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was ridiculed or joked with toyed with

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and so i think everyone in the newsroom

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how do we cover this and i as someone

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who had you know

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paying attention to ufos i was like

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gnawing at the

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bit to speak up and say i know something

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i know a little bit about this topic

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um ask me ask me you know that kind of

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i slowly but surely people kept turning

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for questions or oh this new ufo thing

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have him work it a little bit

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and that eventually became let's just do

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out of this so that's where the basement

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office came from and that was going to

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be my next question

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so the basement office comes from the

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aspect of getting all this footage in

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how does it come to be the that episode

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nimitz princeton how does nick get

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yeah i uh so the the real story is is

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that

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they the post just asked me to pitch

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an idea for a ufo video series and

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honestly

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i think what they want like expected was

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like

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short easily produced six minute

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episodes of like just me with a script

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in front of like a green screen reading

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something

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this week the pentagon said blah blah

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blah the

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end like that was all they were like

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expecting so

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but i went like overboard i was like no

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i want this whole set

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and i want it to be in the basement and

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i'll build it myself and i built it i

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built the whole

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the the basement office set was actually

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a storage room

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and i like cleaned it out and then

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like painted it and decorated it and

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made it

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and um and then with nick we sent out

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we sent out a bunch of emails um to a

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bunch of ufologists well-known

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ufologists as

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a wide net and i didn't really expect

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any of them

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to respond but nick responded

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positively immediately and was all for

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it

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and uh nick was only supposed to be in

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one episode

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the first episode but when he came out

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and

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shot we were like oh he's awesome like

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we need to put him in

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all the episodes so we just that's how

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he became

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you know the co-host and listen we'll

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take a quick

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sidebar for a second because people will

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shoot me

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if i don't ask about this now nick

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pope's background

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um was well known especially here in the

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uk he is the go-to guy for ufos

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if there is a piece in a tabloid

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newspaper or

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you know the the bbc you tend to see

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nick pope as a talking head or quoted in

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the paper he was

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that the x-files guy which is usually

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what he's addressed as within the paper

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however

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his background has came into question

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over the last last year or two

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now there's no doubting nick is a nice

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guy i've met him

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in a lecture in beric about five years

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ago that i i attended

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what do you think about nick's previous

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role

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and the idea that it has been overblown

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from an

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administrative role to something where

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he's referred to as you know the uk's

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fox mulder which

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it seems that he wasn't what's your take

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on all that

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well i think you know i i i personally

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have no doubt that nick was involved

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in the mod in in at least at one point

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i think you know he says it was the

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early 90s a few years with uap

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he was he was involved with the uap

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within the ministry of defense

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funny enough it reminds me it mirrors

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lou elizondo's story because

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in in a lot of ways lou is a little bit

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like nick in this respect because

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um what does the pentagon say and what

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do what do the critics say about lou

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oh he he had barely anything to do if

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anything to do with atip he wasn't

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involved with a tip the pentagon even

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says

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he had no responsibilities with atip and

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then you have blue saying like no

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that i actually was i was actually

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involved with atip for like

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many years if you think about it like

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nick and and uh and lou that kind of

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like mirrors you know you've got like

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the naysayers saying like oh he had

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nothing to do with this

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so it's almost like the same pattern

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emerging

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yeah you know i agree and i interviewed

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nick for my seventh episode on this and

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i i introduced him as the uk's louise

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elizondo

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at the time and i agree with you to a

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point i think what we have though is

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there seems to be a lot more

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evidence has come out since that lou

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is who he says he was and i'm not saying

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nick didn't work at the mod nick

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absolutely did

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and he was involved on the ufo desk what

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what i think though seems to be the case

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and i will caveat this at the end as

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that the

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his job seems to have been far more

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administrative

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than than maybe nick has allowed to be

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embellished and i don't think he'd done

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that i think the uk

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media done that for him decades ago and

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he's he's

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he's a good guy he's charismatic and

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he's nice to listen to and no doubt he's

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he's had some exposure but what

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potentially has happened is that the

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i think the british military are

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probably better than the u.s military

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keeping things quiet

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because you know they're very

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tight-lipped about a lot of things here

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in the uk especially when it comes to

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ufos and uep

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and there seems to be no one backing up

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what

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nick pope maybe in the past was claimed

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to have done

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and that's not to say that he maybe

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didn't do that but you're right

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in the sense that that's what's came out

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from the pentagon and dod in terms of

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of luella's ondo as well but that's

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that's by the by because nick has

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fashioned himself a role and a

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relatively positive one

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within ufology as as we understand

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ufology and

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he has a good talking head to have

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alongside you on the basement office as

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well

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um now what i want to know is

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what's been your favorite part of

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recording the basement office

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sorry basement office has been a

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favorite topic to cover

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um that's a great question so i would

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say like

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my favorite qu my favorite part about

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the basement office in general just

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overall is that the post allows me to

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get deep in the weeds it's not

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it's not a headlines uh show

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it's not a it we get into the details um

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it allows me to be skeptical uh there's

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breathing room

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to really kind of get into what happened

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versus the rumor

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um i would say out uh it also

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reinvigorated my interest in the topic

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because

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for every episode i need to do my

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homework i need to do my research and i

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need to figure out what the hell is

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going on

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and uh and and in doing that i learn a

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lot

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and out of that i i gravitate to certain

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cases

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um the zimbabwe aerial school case in

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1994

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being an example of a case that i can't

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outright dismiss or i i also

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can't outright um create a devil's

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advocate you know

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i i can't create another argument to

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what really happened

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with those children while there are

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explanations none of them make sense to

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me

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um the 1976 canary islands

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case um just baffles me

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uh not not just because of the immensity

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of the uap

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itself which was towering over the city

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i mean skyscrapers were just like

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it was over the whole city and um but

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the documentation that the spanish

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military

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investigated the hell out of that case

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and there's a stack

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of of of real military documents and in

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those documents the military says

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all right this was an unidentified

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aerial phenomena like

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after everything we've researched it is

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completely baffling

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that and then added to that the fact

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that entities

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beings were seen inside the orb

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that's a difficult case for me because i

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can't outright dismiss it

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and there are a bunch i mean the water

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thing usos

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ufos originating from the water sources

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from the oceans

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that was new to me you know i understand

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a lot of ufologists

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it's not new to them because they've

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been in this for years

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but to me as a journalist i was like

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what

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you know like they're coming from the

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oceans

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you know so that episode our our episode

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about the oceans and the water was

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was just overwhelmingly mind-blowing to

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me

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and i've got a listener question on

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those lines later on about your usos

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episode that what that was a good one

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and

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i think again since 2017 in the us

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military and the navy playing such a big

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part in this

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it's made the mainstream media sit up

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and take notice and go

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ah so it's not just flying saucers

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coming from space we have

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other shaped objects potentially coming

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in the water as well

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now listen i would be amiss if i didn't

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mention your interview with eric davies

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um a man who is quite enigmatic himself

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um it caused quite a stir it still has

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the conversation going online

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i can imagine as i say that name

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somewhere joel murgia's ears have

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pricked up

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so i would encourage anyone who hasn't

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seen the the interview it's about 15 16

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minutes long

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check out on the basement office page

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however

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how long was the original interview with

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eric davies

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okay so from the time he logged in until

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the

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time he logged out around 58 minutes

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okay so why did we get 16 minutes so you

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didn't just get 16 minutes you got

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so in episode 7 of the basement office

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he's in episode 7 of the basement office

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and then we released and then after that

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i released

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however long it was 15 minutes extra of

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from the interview

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um the rest of it is sitting

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on a hard drive yeah so

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that's that's what i want to talk about

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is that the rest of it piece

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now you you get this regularly and i

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imagine you get dms about it and

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contacted via email and whatnot

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everybody what why is the rest of it

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still sitting on a hard drive

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um because it's like um

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like if i was you right if i

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if i was the host of the ufo podcast who

563
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owns the ufo podcast

564
00:20:23,029 --> 00:20:21,679
you do you control that property right

565
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so you can release whatever the hell you

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want

567
00:20:28,950 --> 00:20:27,120
i'm i don't own the new york post and i

568
00:20:29,590 --> 00:20:28,960
don't own their intellectual property i

569
00:20:31,830 --> 00:20:29,600
don't own

570
00:20:35,590 --> 00:20:31,840
a single second of the basement office

571
00:20:37,510 --> 00:20:35,600
and so there is a approval process that

572
00:20:39,190 --> 00:20:37,520
when you're at a media company of that

573
00:20:41,350 --> 00:20:39,200
level

574
00:20:42,789 --> 00:20:41,360
your average reporter just can't release

575
00:20:47,270 --> 00:20:42,799
whatever the hell he wants

576
00:20:48,070 --> 00:20:47,280
um and so the the eric davis stuff is

577
00:20:51,430 --> 00:20:48,080
not lost

578
00:20:51,830 --> 00:20:51,440
to time it's still in a queue and it's

579
00:20:54,870 --> 00:20:51,840
still

580
00:20:58,789 --> 00:20:54,880
in a plan to be released

581
00:21:01,110 --> 00:20:58,799
it's just how and why um

582
00:21:03,190 --> 00:21:01,120
the you know when you're talking about a

583
00:21:04,710 --> 00:21:03,200
big media company that covers a million

584
00:21:08,310 --> 00:21:04,720
stories a day

585
00:21:09,430 --> 00:21:08,320
and might do one or two ufo stories a

586
00:21:13,190 --> 00:21:09,440
month

587
00:21:16,310 --> 00:21:13,200
um at what i need to couch it

588
00:21:19,669 --> 00:21:16,320
in a way that makes it relevant for

589
00:21:21,830 --> 00:21:19,679
re release so hope is not lost

590
00:21:23,430 --> 00:21:21,840
i'm fighting the good battle to get it

591
00:21:25,510 --> 00:21:23,440
out there's some uh

592
00:21:26,789 --> 00:21:25,520
there's some good stuff in there it's

593
00:21:28,789 --> 00:21:26,799
just

594
00:21:30,230 --> 00:21:28,799
we're in a big transitional phase

595
00:21:31,270 --> 00:21:30,240
especially with the basement office i

596
00:21:33,430 --> 00:21:31,280
mean our last up

597
00:21:35,350 --> 00:21:33,440
our last official episode was was i

598
00:21:38,549 --> 00:21:35,360
think june of 2020 so

599
00:21:40,789 --> 00:21:38,559
over a year ago yeah um

600
00:21:41,830 --> 00:21:40,799
with nick meaning my last real episode

601
00:21:44,950 --> 00:21:41,840
with nick

602
00:21:48,789 --> 00:21:44,960
um covid threw a wrench like a

603
00:21:50,870 --> 00:21:48,799
massive wrench into everything and just

604
00:21:52,470 --> 00:21:50,880
everything got smaller everything got

605
00:21:54,710 --> 00:21:52,480
more focused

606
00:21:56,390 --> 00:21:54,720
and across the board i think in every

607
00:21:59,029 --> 00:21:56,400
media company and so

608
00:21:59,909 --> 00:21:59,039
um i'm stuck in the middle of that

609
00:22:03,430 --> 00:21:59,919
essentially i

610
00:22:04,470 --> 00:22:03,440
it's not as easy as me waking up one

611
00:22:05,750 --> 00:22:04,480
morning and going

612
00:22:07,990 --> 00:22:05,760
you know what i'll release the eric

613
00:22:09,750 --> 00:22:08,000
davis thing today boop like it doesn't

614
00:22:11,430 --> 00:22:09,760
work like that

615
00:22:13,669 --> 00:22:11,440
so that so that that's fair so the new

616
00:22:15,750 --> 00:22:13,679
york post owns that footage that's their

617
00:22:17,590 --> 00:22:15,760
intellectual property that the contents

618
00:22:19,669 --> 00:22:17,600
of the interview yeah

619
00:22:21,430 --> 00:22:19,679
of course yeah of course that's how it

620
00:22:24,789 --> 00:22:21,440
works not just the basement office yeah

621
00:22:26,630 --> 00:22:24,799
they own the footage okay so at the end

622
00:22:28,950 --> 00:22:26,640
of the the 15-minute extended

623
00:22:30,390 --> 00:22:28,960
bonus piece that you dropped you you

624
00:22:31,990 --> 00:22:30,400
said and i'm going to turn this back on

625
00:22:33,350 --> 00:22:32,000
you because you said to eric davis i

626
00:22:35,669 --> 00:22:33,360
don't know if you remember

627
00:22:37,590 --> 00:22:35,679
i'm looking for a crumb something a

628
00:22:39,669 --> 00:22:37,600
nugget anything that you can tell me and

629
00:22:42,630 --> 00:22:39,679
that was pretty much paraphrasing you

630
00:22:44,310 --> 00:22:42,640
but what what could people expect to see

631
00:22:45,750 --> 00:22:44,320
from what's on that hard drive because

632
00:22:46,789 --> 00:22:45,760
you can imagine what must be going

633
00:22:49,190 --> 00:22:46,799
through people's minds

634
00:22:51,669 --> 00:22:49,200
as to what may or may not be on it as a

635
00:22:55,750 --> 00:22:51,679
case of tempering expectations

636
00:22:57,830 --> 00:22:55,760
yeah okay so um well first

637
00:22:59,830 --> 00:22:57,840
my quote that you just said about give

638
00:23:03,750 --> 00:22:59,840
me a nugget a crumb was

639
00:23:06,070 --> 00:23:03,760
its context was specific uh eric davis

640
00:23:08,230 --> 00:23:06,080
at that point in december 2019 which is

641
00:23:10,870 --> 00:23:08,240
when the interview was

642
00:23:12,470 --> 00:23:10,880
told me that a tip never ended yeah and

643
00:23:16,149 --> 00:23:12,480
that it still existed

644
00:23:18,950 --> 00:23:16,159
and that it had a new name um

645
00:23:20,390 --> 00:23:18,960
what i was asking him was can you please

646
00:23:22,630 --> 00:23:20,400
tell me the new name

647
00:23:23,430 --> 00:23:22,640
what is the new name of the new atip and

648
00:23:25,190 --> 00:23:23,440
he wouldn't

649
00:23:26,630 --> 00:23:25,200
tell me and and then i said hey can you

650
00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:26,640
give me a nugget a chrome

651
00:23:30,230 --> 00:23:28,799
whatever a clue i mean we know it's the

652
00:23:32,630 --> 00:23:30,240
uaptf

653
00:23:33,350 --> 00:23:32,640
at least that would be it you know the

654
00:23:35,350 --> 00:23:33,360
new thing

655
00:23:36,950 --> 00:23:35,360
okay so as for hints as what's on the

656
00:23:39,350 --> 00:23:36,960
new thing super

657
00:23:40,149 --> 00:23:39,360
sciencey wonky stuff so i'll give you a

658
00:23:41,990 --> 00:23:40,159
sample

659
00:23:44,470 --> 00:23:42,000
he and i talk for three and a half to

660
00:23:47,750 --> 00:23:44,480
four minutes just about wormholes

661
00:23:49,190 --> 00:23:47,760
uh we talk about warp bubbles um for

662
00:23:51,110 --> 00:23:49,200
like five minutes

663
00:23:54,870 --> 00:23:51,120
i mean he gets super sciency warp

664
00:23:56,549 --> 00:23:54,880
bubbles uh obviously there's two minutes

665
00:23:58,710 --> 00:23:56,559
just under two or just around two

666
00:24:01,830 --> 00:23:58,720
minutes of him responding to the

667
00:24:03,110 --> 00:24:01,840
wilson davis notes um and then there's

668
00:24:06,230 --> 00:24:03,120
uh

669
00:24:09,590 --> 00:24:06,240
oh and then there's more about him

670
00:24:11,430 --> 00:24:09,600
i asked him what is your theory

671
00:24:13,269 --> 00:24:11,440
personal theory about what you think the

672
00:24:16,070 --> 00:24:13,279
ultimate truth is are they alien

673
00:24:16,630 --> 00:24:16,080
interdimensional etc and he gives me

674
00:24:20,789 --> 00:24:16,640
that

675
00:24:23,510 --> 00:24:20,799
recently

676
00:24:23,830 --> 00:24:23,520
okay and listen when that footage comes

677
00:24:25,830 --> 00:24:23,840
out

678
00:24:27,590 --> 00:24:25,840
people will go and look at it i will not

679
00:24:28,390 --> 00:24:27,600
pursue that because i want to see that

680
00:24:29,830 --> 00:24:28,400
myself

681
00:24:31,430 --> 00:24:29,840
and i don't want to see that or hear

682
00:24:33,269 --> 00:24:31,440
from it you know second hand even though

683
00:24:35,269 --> 00:24:33,279
you were involved in the interview so

684
00:24:36,630 --> 00:24:35,279
i appreciate you giving us those those

685
00:24:39,909 --> 00:24:36,640
bite-sized chunks

686
00:24:42,870 --> 00:24:39,919
can i give also your viewers who may be

687
00:24:44,470 --> 00:24:42,880
ufo twitters twitterers uh some

688
00:24:46,710 --> 00:24:44,480
perspective

689
00:24:47,909 --> 00:24:46,720
the eric davis episode of the basement

690
00:24:50,070 --> 00:24:47,919
office the

691
00:24:51,669 --> 00:24:50,080
the bonus episode where it's just him

692
00:24:54,789 --> 00:24:51,679
and me talking

693
00:24:55,430 --> 00:24:54,799
is our least popular basement office

694
00:24:57,830 --> 00:24:55,440
episode

695
00:24:59,110 --> 00:24:57,840
in terms of views and engagement it is

696
00:25:02,549 --> 00:24:59,120
absolutely

697
00:25:04,470 --> 00:25:02,559
bottom it is the least uh successful

698
00:25:06,470 --> 00:25:04,480
episode we've ever released and so

699
00:25:07,750 --> 00:25:06,480
i understand that within a certain

700
00:25:10,070 --> 00:25:07,760
pocket

701
00:25:11,190 --> 00:25:10,080
um people might be super interested in

702
00:25:13,750 --> 00:25:11,200
what eric davis has

703
00:25:14,390 --> 00:25:13,760
but as for like the main audience of our

704
00:25:17,430 --> 00:25:14,400
show

705
00:25:17,830 --> 00:25:17,440
no one seems to care do you know what

706
00:25:19,990 --> 00:25:17,840
though

707
00:25:22,070 --> 00:25:20,000
i can get that and is there anything to

708
00:25:23,909 --> 00:25:22,080
do with algorithm on that because i

709
00:25:25,110 --> 00:25:23,919
searched for it earlier just to go back

710
00:25:27,029 --> 00:25:25,120
and watch it again

711
00:25:28,470 --> 00:25:27,039
and i typed in basement office and i

712
00:25:30,310 --> 00:25:28,480
think the first thing that came up was

713
00:25:31,190 --> 00:25:30,320
like episode 7 or episode 11 or

714
00:25:33,830 --> 00:25:31,200
something

715
00:25:34,470 --> 00:25:33,840
and it was hard to find that i had to go

716
00:25:35,750 --> 00:25:34,480
into

717
00:25:37,590 --> 00:25:35,760
basement office and go through the

718
00:25:39,669 --> 00:25:37,600
playlist to get it and

719
00:25:41,590 --> 00:25:39,679
in a day and age where people want stuff

720
00:25:42,950 --> 00:25:41,600
to come up bang straight away

721
00:25:45,269 --> 00:25:42,960
if they don't see it in the top couple

722
00:25:47,190 --> 00:25:45,279
of search results it can go a mess so

723
00:25:49,269 --> 00:25:47,200
i just don't want it to be downplayed

724
00:25:51,909 --> 00:25:49,279
how good you know those pieces are

725
00:25:52,710 --> 00:25:51,919
and how relevant they could be um i i

726
00:25:54,070 --> 00:25:52,720
think that can

727
00:25:56,149 --> 00:25:54,080
can definitely play a part in that

728
00:25:57,750 --> 00:25:56,159
especially with a younger generation

729
00:25:59,830 --> 00:25:57,760
yeah sure i think you know the search

730
00:26:02,870 --> 00:25:59,840
algorithm could play a part

731
00:26:05,990 --> 00:26:02,880
in it i mean but i

732
00:26:09,110 --> 00:26:06,000
uh just overall the basement office

733
00:26:10,870 --> 00:26:09,120
isn't that accessible there's

734
00:26:12,870 --> 00:26:10,880
you know it's in general it's like it

735
00:26:14,870 --> 00:26:12,880
doesn't have its own channel

736
00:26:15,990 --> 00:26:14,880
it doesn't have its own website it

737
00:26:18,470 --> 00:26:16,000
doesn't have its own

738
00:26:20,390 --> 00:26:18,480
streaming platform and so you do have to

739
00:26:21,990 --> 00:26:20,400
go look for it and that's something that

740
00:26:23,750 --> 00:26:22,000
you know i'm struggling with and trying

741
00:26:25,669 --> 00:26:23,760
to figure out but um

742
00:26:26,789 --> 00:26:25,679
yeah so i get that i get what you're

743
00:26:28,789 --> 00:26:26,799
saying

744
00:26:30,390 --> 00:26:28,799
yeah and listen you know what you touch

745
00:26:32,470 --> 00:26:30,400
on something and this this may be

746
00:26:34,390 --> 00:26:32,480
unpopular but i've mentioned this before

747
00:26:35,590 --> 00:26:34,400
and i'm always honest and i stick by

748
00:26:37,190 --> 00:26:35,600
this stuff that

749
00:26:39,190 --> 00:26:37,200
there's there's an entitlement from

750
00:26:41,430 --> 00:26:39,200
people especially online and i include

751
00:26:43,669 --> 00:26:41,440
myself in some of this as well that

752
00:26:45,269 --> 00:26:43,679
for example the uap task force went the

753
00:26:47,990 --> 00:26:45,279
the report when it dropped

754
00:26:49,750 --> 00:26:48,000
you get a an outpouring of why didn't

755
00:26:51,590 --> 00:26:49,760
they disclose everything they know

756
00:26:53,990 --> 00:26:51,600
we should know and it's like when you

757
00:26:56,070 --> 00:26:54,000
say we you mean ufo twitter

758
00:26:58,390 --> 00:26:56,080
that is like not point not not not not

759
00:27:00,470 --> 00:26:58,400
not one percent of the population

760
00:27:01,990 --> 00:27:00,480
no one's really paying attention i i

761
00:27:03,909 --> 00:27:02,000
know people like lou and chris melanie

762
00:27:05,669 --> 00:27:03,919
not talk about the impact and there will

763
00:27:08,470 --> 00:27:05,679
be some sort of impact

764
00:27:09,750 --> 00:27:08,480
from that social media but it's not huge

765
00:27:11,990 --> 00:27:09,760
you don't have the us

766
00:27:14,310 --> 00:27:12,000
government sitting you know with baited

767
00:27:16,549 --> 00:27:14,320
breath waiting on

768
00:27:17,990 --> 00:27:16,559
sending this out to appease ufo twitter

769
00:27:19,590 --> 00:27:18,000
that's not happening so

770
00:27:21,669 --> 00:27:19,600
there's definitely a time and a place

771
00:27:23,669 --> 00:27:21,679
for that kind of stuff so i i appreciate

772
00:27:26,310 --> 00:27:23,679
that i do want to touch on those steven

773
00:27:27,190 --> 00:27:26,320
the wilson davis documents what are your

774
00:27:28,870 --> 00:27:27,200
thoughts on those

775
00:27:32,950 --> 00:27:28,880
obviously you haven't spoken to eric

776
00:27:39,269 --> 00:27:37,430
uh i i haven't talked to eric davis

777
00:27:40,710 --> 00:27:39,279
i have talked to eric davis oh no no no

778
00:27:41,510 --> 00:27:40,720
sorry i'm saying you you've spoken to

779
00:27:42,950 --> 00:27:41,520
eric davis

780
00:27:44,870 --> 00:27:42,960
what what are your thoughts on the

781
00:27:49,110 --> 00:27:44,880
wilson davis documents

782
00:27:50,149 --> 00:27:49,120
well okay so um and so those were leaked

783
00:27:53,750 --> 00:27:50,159
i guess in april

784
00:27:54,549 --> 00:27:53,760
2019 and came up on my radar during my

785
00:27:58,470 --> 00:27:54,559
research

786
00:28:02,070 --> 00:27:58,480
for season one of

787
00:28:05,430 --> 00:28:02,080
uh the basement office and uh

788
00:28:06,950 --> 00:28:05,440
i you know at first when i saw them i

789
00:28:10,149 --> 00:28:06,960
was like oh my god this is

790
00:28:14,389 --> 00:28:10,159
awesome seriously i was like this is

791
00:28:17,909 --> 00:28:14,399
awesome uh and i thought it was

792
00:28:20,149 --> 00:28:17,919
just incredible and honestly like what i

793
00:28:22,870 --> 00:28:20,159
my initial reaction was reading through

794
00:28:25,269 --> 00:28:22,880
them a couple times was

795
00:28:26,549 --> 00:28:25,279
out of all the theories i've heard about

796
00:28:28,149 --> 00:28:26,559
what's really going on

797
00:28:30,389 --> 00:28:28,159
out of all the theories i've heard about

798
00:28:32,710 --> 00:28:30,399
what's really going on and why et cetera

799
00:28:33,909 --> 00:28:32,720
how involved is the government the

800
00:28:37,190 --> 00:28:33,919
wilson davis

801
00:28:38,389 --> 00:28:37,200
notes rang true to me meaning this is

802
00:28:41,350 --> 00:28:38,399
how i would do it

803
00:28:42,549 --> 00:28:41,360
like if i want if if this was true

804
00:28:45,830 --> 00:28:42,559
aliens

805
00:28:49,029 --> 00:28:45,840
alien technology you know um

806
00:28:52,310 --> 00:28:49,039
retro retroactive engineering uh

807
00:28:53,190 --> 00:28:52,320
this is how i would do it outside the

808
00:28:55,830 --> 00:28:53,200
government

809
00:28:57,269 --> 00:28:55,840
yeah unacknowledged completely separate

810
00:28:59,750 --> 00:28:57,279
almost in the private sector

811
00:29:00,710 --> 00:28:59,760
from from even the president of the

812
00:29:02,870 --> 00:29:00,720
united states

813
00:29:04,230 --> 00:29:02,880
yes i was like yeah that's how you would

814
00:29:06,870 --> 00:29:04,240
do it

815
00:29:09,269 --> 00:29:06,880
but then the next challenge i have is

816
00:29:11,830 --> 00:29:09,279
elevating it from my personal

817
00:29:12,950 --> 00:29:11,840
opinion and my personal emotional

818
00:29:16,710 --> 00:29:12,960
reaction

819
00:29:20,630 --> 00:29:16,720
to a journalistic analysis

820
00:29:23,430 --> 00:29:20,640
of what it is and you know

821
00:29:25,269 --> 00:29:23,440
davis says i can't talk about it which

822
00:29:27,830 --> 00:29:25,279
is interesting because he doesn't say

823
00:29:28,389 --> 00:29:27,840
no that's bullcrap uh so that's

824
00:29:31,029 --> 00:29:28,399
interesting

825
00:29:31,909 --> 00:29:31,039
okay great so i've established that side

826
00:29:34,870 --> 00:29:31,919
so the side

827
00:29:35,350 --> 00:29:34,880
you know here's davis saying i can't do

828
00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:35,360
that

829
00:29:42,950 --> 00:29:39,120
i talked to admiral wilson via phone

830
00:29:47,190 --> 00:29:42,960
to him and ask him about all of it

831
00:29:50,470 --> 00:29:47,200
and he denies all of it and emphatically

832
00:29:52,950 --> 00:29:50,480
emotionally frustratingly uh

833
00:29:55,190 --> 00:29:52,960
denies it doesn't want to be caught up

834
00:29:59,029 --> 00:29:55,200
in this silly thing

835
00:30:00,870 --> 00:29:59,039
um okay so the former

836
00:30:02,310 --> 00:30:00,880
director of the defense intelligence

837
00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:02,320
agency is saying

838
00:30:08,549 --> 00:30:05,760
no it these notes are crazy and false

839
00:30:10,230 --> 00:30:08,559
and absolutely not true okay so now i

840
00:30:11,110 --> 00:30:10,240
have to go find the other side who's

841
00:30:15,350 --> 00:30:11,120
saying

842
00:30:18,149 --> 00:30:15,360
that admiral wilson's being

843
00:30:19,350 --> 00:30:18,159
secretive and snide and covering up i

844
00:30:22,950 --> 00:30:19,360
can't find that person

845
00:30:26,310 --> 00:30:22,960
can't find someone

846
00:30:27,830 --> 00:30:26,320
of stature who is publicly claiming that

847
00:30:30,870 --> 00:30:27,840
the wilson davis notes

848
00:30:31,990 --> 00:30:30,880
are true so that's the wall i'm at right

849
00:30:35,350 --> 00:30:32,000
now that's the uh

850
00:30:37,190 --> 00:30:35,360
that's where i'm at so two things would

851
00:30:38,710 --> 00:30:37,200
do you find that unusual though i take

852
00:30:42,149 --> 00:30:38,720
it you would expect

853
00:30:44,230 --> 00:30:42,159
to s admiral wilson to deny

854
00:30:46,549 --> 00:30:44,240
the validity of the documents or were

855
00:30:49,029 --> 00:30:46,559
you not expecting that

856
00:30:50,070 --> 00:30:49,039
100 i was 100 of course i was a hundred

857
00:30:54,149 --> 00:30:50,080
percent

858
00:30:57,269 --> 00:30:54,159
um already ready for him to deny that

859
00:30:57,909 --> 00:30:57,279
the the details within the notes are

860
00:31:01,990 --> 00:30:57,919
true

861
00:31:04,549 --> 00:31:02,000
and that i was not expecting him to say

862
00:31:06,149 --> 00:31:04,559
the meeting never took place or i never

863
00:31:08,389 --> 00:31:06,159
met eric davis

864
00:31:09,190 --> 00:31:08,399
i thought maybe those two things could

865
00:31:11,509 --> 00:31:09,200
be true

866
00:31:13,029 --> 00:31:11,519
like yeah i met this guy but we didn't

867
00:31:15,509 --> 00:31:13,039
talk about any of this

868
00:31:17,029 --> 00:31:15,519
like i was almost expecting that but for

869
00:31:20,070 --> 00:31:17,039
him to say like i never

870
00:31:22,149 --> 00:31:20,080
met eric davis i don't even

871
00:31:23,190 --> 00:31:22,159
literally an exact quote from him is i

872
00:31:26,789 --> 00:31:23,200
don't even know who that

873
00:31:29,590 --> 00:31:26,799
is was i have no idea who this person is

874
00:31:31,190 --> 00:31:29,600
uh never had that meeting and those are

875
00:31:33,669 --> 00:31:31,200
on record

876
00:31:34,389 --> 00:31:33,679
comments strong comments emphatic

877
00:31:37,509 --> 00:31:34,399
comments

878
00:31:40,389 --> 00:31:37,519
and i i need to find

879
00:31:41,029 --> 00:31:40,399
the the counter to that what is the

880
00:31:44,630 --> 00:31:41,039
counter

881
00:31:47,350 --> 00:31:44,640
to that and i don't know who that is

882
00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:47,360
what do you think or what do you put in

883
00:31:51,669 --> 00:31:49,440
luella's on those comments about eric

884
00:31:53,830 --> 00:31:51,679
davis when he's been asked about the

885
00:31:55,909 --> 00:31:53,840
the notes in the documents before and

886
00:31:57,350 --> 00:31:55,919
what he said was that eric davis is

887
00:31:58,789 --> 00:31:57,360
almost incapable of lying

888
00:32:01,269 --> 00:31:58,799
it's not in his character it's not in

889
00:32:01,830 --> 00:32:01,279
his makeup and if eric davis says

890
00:32:03,669 --> 00:32:01,840
something

891
00:32:05,110 --> 00:32:03,679
you you should take that to the bank

892
00:32:05,430 --> 00:32:05,120
would you think there's any way that

893
00:32:08,310 --> 00:32:05,440
that

894
00:32:18,310 --> 00:32:08,320
is louis lozando you know by proxy

895
00:32:21,669 --> 00:32:20,870
it's a blanket statement i mean i

896
00:32:24,070 --> 00:32:21,679
there's

897
00:32:25,350 --> 00:32:24,080
i to speak to eric davis character i

898
00:32:29,029 --> 00:32:25,360
could print

899
00:32:30,230 --> 00:32:29,039
you know speaking to dr davis character

900
00:32:32,389 --> 00:32:30,240
lou elizondo

901
00:32:34,149 --> 00:32:32,399
says you know everything he says is true

902
00:32:35,269 --> 00:32:34,159
i would i would pay attention to

903
00:32:37,190 --> 00:32:35,279
whatever he says

904
00:32:39,509 --> 00:32:37,200
lou told me that eric davis is an

905
00:32:43,509 --> 00:32:39,519
american hero an american patriot

906
00:32:46,070 --> 00:32:43,519
um and i uh

907
00:32:47,990 --> 00:32:46,080
yeah i mean i can't outright say i don't

908
00:32:51,190 --> 00:32:48,000
believe that because i have no reason to

909
00:32:53,430 --> 00:32:51,200
i have no i have no solid reason to say

910
00:32:54,870 --> 00:32:53,440
i think lou's lying i think eric davis

911
00:32:57,269 --> 00:32:54,880
is lying

912
00:32:57,909 --> 00:32:57,279
or i think admiral wilson's lying i have

913
00:33:00,389 --> 00:32:57,919
no

914
00:33:01,669 --> 00:33:00,399
solid reason to do that yet but until i

915
00:33:05,029 --> 00:33:01,679
do

916
00:33:06,710 --> 00:33:05,039
i i can't release a

917
00:33:08,710 --> 00:33:06,720
a good story to the layman you have to

918
00:33:10,470 --> 00:33:08,720
understand that like probably 99

919
00:33:12,149 --> 00:33:10,480
of new york post readers don't know

920
00:33:14,549 --> 00:33:12,159
anything about ufos

921
00:33:15,430 --> 00:33:14,559
you know so in order to release that

922
00:33:18,870 --> 00:33:15,440
story i need to

923
00:33:20,710 --> 00:33:18,880
justify that story and usually the best

924
00:33:23,750 --> 00:33:20,720
journalistic way to do that is

925
00:33:24,789 --> 00:33:23,760
this person claims this but this person

926
00:33:27,990 --> 00:33:24,799
claims this

927
00:33:30,149 --> 00:33:28,000
i as a journalist took a look at both

928
00:33:31,669 --> 00:33:30,159
and here's what i found i just can't

929
00:33:34,070 --> 00:33:31,679
find that other side

930
00:33:36,070 --> 00:33:34,080
with wilson davis and that speaks to

931
00:33:38,310 --> 00:33:36,080
your journalistic integrity and that's

932
00:33:41,350 --> 00:33:38,320
that's the right way to do this but

933
00:33:42,149 --> 00:33:41,360
as someone so like me i'm biased and i

934
00:33:44,630 --> 00:33:42,159
want to believe

935
00:33:46,470 --> 00:33:44,640
the guy who's talking about ufos crash

936
00:33:48,070 --> 00:33:46,480
retrievals warp drives and

937
00:33:49,669 --> 00:33:48,080
everything else because that's the stuff

938
00:33:51,750 --> 00:33:49,679
i want to be true

939
00:33:53,190 --> 00:33:51,760
but i've still got to understand that

940
00:33:55,269 --> 00:33:53,200
there's a chance it may not be because

941
00:33:57,110 --> 00:33:55,279
there's no 100 percent proof and that's

942
00:33:57,990 --> 00:33:57,120
pretty much like this whole topic and

943
00:33:59,750 --> 00:33:58,000
subject

944
00:34:02,789 --> 00:33:59,760
can i ask you a question why why do you

945
00:34:06,070 --> 00:34:04,310
what eric davis says are what's within

946
00:34:07,909 --> 00:34:06,080
the notes because i want that to start

947
00:34:09,990 --> 00:34:07,919
to be that you know what yep

948
00:34:11,430 --> 00:34:10,000
we do have the crash retrieval programs

949
00:34:13,909 --> 00:34:11,440
we do have this

950
00:34:16,389 --> 00:34:13,919
i i can believe that but it's still that

951
00:34:18,550 --> 00:34:16,399
extra evidence

952
00:34:20,149 --> 00:34:18,560
i don't think we've got anyone smoking

953
00:34:20,710 --> 00:34:20,159
gun in this topic that we're never going

954
00:34:22,069 --> 00:34:20,720
to get

955
00:34:24,629 --> 00:34:22,079
i think and i've always said it's going

956
00:34:26,790 --> 00:34:24,639
to be a folder which is just

957
00:34:27,990 --> 00:34:26,800
a whole folder of evidence that's the

958
00:34:30,389 --> 00:34:28,000
more weight to it

959
00:34:32,069 --> 00:34:30,399
the more credibility it has um we're not

960
00:34:33,669 --> 00:34:32,079
going to get one picture i don't think

961
00:34:33,990 --> 00:34:33,679
if we get a black triangle coming out of

962
00:34:36,069 --> 00:34:34,000
the ocean

963
00:34:37,829 --> 00:34:36,079
that's going to prove anything because

964
00:34:39,750 --> 00:34:37,839
people and i've talked about this

965
00:34:42,710 --> 00:34:39,760
recently as well stephen that

966
00:34:43,990 --> 00:34:42,720
if i go out with my camera and

967
00:34:46,790 --> 00:34:44,000
legitimately right now

968
00:34:49,430 --> 00:34:46,800
over my head uh like you described a

969
00:34:52,950 --> 00:34:49,440
v-shaped ufo with blue lights is

970
00:34:53,669 --> 00:34:52,960
50 feet above me i take a samsung s21 or

971
00:34:56,950 --> 00:34:53,679
a huawei

972
00:34:59,430 --> 00:34:56,960
or a new iphone and i snap that in 8k

973
00:35:00,230 --> 00:34:59,440
and it is picture perfect you can see it

974
00:35:02,150 --> 00:35:00,240
there's no

975
00:35:04,470 --> 00:35:02,160
gravitational lensing or whatever people

976
00:35:06,870 --> 00:35:04,480
claim to think they know about okay

977
00:35:08,470 --> 00:35:06,880
if i post that online and i say here's

978
00:35:11,430 --> 00:35:08,480
what's just flew above me

979
00:35:12,870 --> 00:35:11,440
what are people instantly going to say

980
00:35:15,270 --> 00:35:12,880
it's cgi

981
00:35:17,190 --> 00:35:15,280
yeah it's fake because it's too good so

982
00:35:18,470 --> 00:35:17,200
it doesn't matter how good the footage

983
00:35:19,030 --> 00:35:18,480
or the picture or whatever it's going to

984
00:35:22,310 --> 00:35:19,040
be

985
00:35:23,589 --> 00:35:22,320
where i i do buy into the weight of

986
00:35:25,030 --> 00:35:23,599
things so for me

987
00:35:26,790 --> 00:35:25,040
the wilson davis stuff being

988
00:35:27,589 --> 00:35:26,800
authenticated would make a big

989
00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:27,599
difference

990
00:35:32,150 --> 00:35:30,640
not the be all and end all but i see

991
00:35:34,630 --> 00:35:32,160
eric davis as one of those really

992
00:35:36,310 --> 00:35:34,640
enigmatic interesting characters that

993
00:35:38,470 --> 00:35:36,320
i would really want him to be one of

994
00:35:39,750 --> 00:35:38,480
those people that that is right

995
00:35:41,349 --> 00:35:39,760
and there's a lot of people within this

996
00:35:43,190 --> 00:35:41,359
topic and subject i don't want to be

997
00:35:45,349 --> 00:35:43,200
right just because they're selling books

998
00:35:46,710 --> 00:35:45,359
or selling cruises or they're in this

999
00:35:49,190 --> 00:35:46,720
for the wrong reasons

1000
00:35:49,910 --> 00:35:49,200
um and that's for me that's a gut

1001
00:35:52,550 --> 00:35:49,920
feeling

1002
00:35:53,349 --> 00:35:52,560
so i i want that to be true and and that

1003
00:35:55,270 --> 00:35:53,359
i'm going to ask

1004
00:35:56,550 --> 00:35:55,280
do you have a gut feeling you've spoken

1005
00:35:58,470 --> 00:35:56,560
to admiral wilson

1006
00:36:00,630 --> 00:35:58,480
and you've spoken face-to-face like with

1007
00:36:02,150 --> 00:36:00,640
eric davis you know on your interview

1008
00:36:06,310 --> 00:36:02,160
is that either one you would lean more

1009
00:36:12,150 --> 00:36:09,109
okay so specifically being a ufo guy

1010
00:36:13,109 --> 00:36:12,160
eric davis wins hands down i don't think

1011
00:36:17,430 --> 00:36:13,119
admiral wilson

1012
00:36:22,150 --> 00:36:20,470
but do you think his denial is too and

1013
00:36:23,990 --> 00:36:22,160
it starts to go down the the woo and

1014
00:36:25,670 --> 00:36:24,000
conspiracy line that the guy in the

1015
00:36:27,670 --> 00:36:25,680
military is denying everything

1016
00:36:28,710 --> 00:36:27,680
and doing eyeing it emphatically because

1017
00:36:30,310 --> 00:36:28,720
you know

1018
00:36:32,069 --> 00:36:30,320
but that's that's what you would do

1019
00:36:36,230 --> 00:36:32,079
isn't it

1020
00:36:39,990 --> 00:36:36,240
yeah i i i guess so but it's also like

1021
00:36:42,470 --> 00:36:40,000
his thing it's it's not like eric davis

1022
00:36:44,950 --> 00:36:42,480
just in the last few years decide

1023
00:36:46,870 --> 00:36:44,960
decided to like talk about ufos i mean

1024
00:36:49,990 --> 00:36:46,880
this has been eric davis's

1025
00:36:52,630 --> 00:36:50,000
thing for a long time you know

1026
00:36:53,990 --> 00:36:52,640
so it's it's not like some new

1027
00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:54,000
revolution it's

1028
00:36:59,270 --> 00:36:57,359
just um it's it's par for the course for

1029
00:37:00,790 --> 00:36:59,280
eric davis

1030
00:37:02,950 --> 00:37:00,800
do you think we've heard or seen the

1031
00:37:04,310 --> 00:37:02,960
last of the wilson davis documents in

1032
00:37:05,589 --> 00:37:04,320
terms of what we know

1033
00:37:07,990 --> 00:37:05,599
do you think there's going to be more to

1034
00:37:09,910 --> 00:37:08,000
the story i hope there's more to

1035
00:37:12,790 --> 00:37:09,920
the story so that i can actually do a

1036
00:37:14,470 --> 00:37:12,800
story on the story

1037
00:37:16,550 --> 00:37:14,480
you know i hope there's more i hope

1038
00:37:17,510 --> 00:37:16,560
there's more something more solid i mean

1039
00:37:19,910 --> 00:37:17,520
i hear

1040
00:37:21,430 --> 00:37:19,920
everyone keeps telling me that um

1041
00:37:22,150 --> 00:37:21,440
there's a book coming out called in

1042
00:37:24,870 --> 00:37:22,160
plain sight

1043
00:37:25,349 --> 00:37:24,880
which delves has a portion that talks

1044
00:37:29,589 --> 00:37:25,359
about

1045
00:37:31,270 --> 00:37:29,599
docks i look forward to that

1046
00:37:32,950 --> 00:37:31,280
yeah that's the ross coltar's book and

1047
00:37:35,270 --> 00:37:32,960
he'll be on the podcast next week so

1048
00:37:36,870 --> 00:37:35,280
i'll be asking him about that as well um

1049
00:37:38,310 --> 00:37:36,880
he's done a few interviews recently with

1050
00:37:39,990 --> 00:37:38,320
a few different people so

1051
00:37:42,310 --> 00:37:40,000
so yeah that's i've not read the book

1052
00:37:44,790 --> 00:37:42,320
myself so i'll i'll hold judgement

1053
00:37:46,710 --> 00:37:44,800
now something that is definitely

1054
00:37:47,990 --> 00:37:46,720
relevant you seem to have been quite

1055
00:37:50,790 --> 00:37:48,000
frustrated recently

1056
00:37:51,589 --> 00:37:50,800
uh at times online um you've been in a

1057
00:37:53,750 --> 00:37:51,599
few kind of

1058
00:37:54,790 --> 00:37:53,760
passionate debates with people and you

1059
00:37:56,710 --> 00:37:54,800
know i think

1060
00:37:57,829 --> 00:37:56,720
part of it from from some people's point

1061
00:38:00,790 --> 00:37:57,839
of view has been the

1062
00:38:02,470 --> 00:38:00,800
the lull post task force report where

1063
00:38:04,230 --> 00:38:02,480
some people are scrambling for something

1064
00:38:06,470 --> 00:38:04,240
to do or something to look at

1065
00:38:07,750 --> 00:38:06,480
and i sense you're getting a bit

1066
00:38:09,750 --> 00:38:07,760
frustrated

1067
00:38:11,670 --> 00:38:09,760
from that ufo twitter community the

1068
00:38:13,190 --> 00:38:11,680
social media side of things

1069
00:38:15,030 --> 00:38:13,200
is that wrong because a lot of people

1070
00:38:17,030 --> 00:38:15,040
seem to be accusing you of

1071
00:38:18,069 --> 00:38:17,040
of becoming quite skeptical all of a

1072
00:38:20,310 --> 00:38:18,079
sudden

1073
00:38:21,349 --> 00:38:20,320
i would say i'm getting kind of fed up

1074
00:38:23,670 --> 00:38:21,359
with all of it

1075
00:38:24,790 --> 00:38:23,680
in a way i mean not just ufo twitter but

1076
00:38:28,150 --> 00:38:24,800
like the media

1077
00:38:31,829 --> 00:38:28,160
he's just turned this into a circus

1078
00:38:32,550 --> 00:38:31,839
of just knee-jerk unvalidated who gives

1079
00:38:36,150 --> 00:38:32,560
a

1080
00:38:38,150 --> 00:38:36,160
you know

1081
00:38:39,750 --> 00:38:38,160
and there's no real journalism it's just

1082
00:38:43,109 --> 00:38:39,760
becoming

1083
00:38:43,910 --> 00:38:43,119
what ufos used to be and there still are

1084
00:38:47,270 --> 00:38:43,920
in my opinion

1085
00:38:49,270 --> 00:38:47,280
is fun ufos are fun

1086
00:38:51,030 --> 00:38:49,280
it's fun to think about it's fun to

1087
00:38:52,550 --> 00:38:51,040
think oh well if that's true that would

1088
00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:52,560
be so rad

1089
00:38:56,550 --> 00:38:55,920
and the media i mean the entertainment

1090
00:38:59,430 --> 00:38:56,560
industry

1091
00:39:01,750 --> 00:38:59,440
latches on to that and have for years

1092
00:39:04,790 --> 00:39:01,760
and i just see more of the same now

1093
00:39:06,950 --> 00:39:04,800
um there are brief pockets of like deep

1094
00:39:10,470 --> 00:39:06,960
journalism you know i think you know

1095
00:39:12,710 --> 00:39:10,480
um tim mcmillan at the at uh

1096
00:39:13,589 --> 00:39:12,720
the debrief uh john greenwald at the

1097
00:39:15,589 --> 00:39:13,599
black vault

1098
00:39:16,710 --> 00:39:15,599
tyler rogue away and his team at the

1099
00:39:20,390 --> 00:39:16,720
drive

1100
00:39:23,829 --> 00:39:20,400
at the war zone um you know brian bender

1101
00:39:27,670 --> 00:39:23,839
at politico you have these really

1102
00:39:29,430 --> 00:39:27,680
good well researched thought out pieces

1103
00:39:30,950 --> 00:39:29,440
but that that doesn't represent the

1104
00:39:31,589 --> 00:39:30,960
majority of what's out there right now

1105
00:39:35,349 --> 00:39:31,599
you've got

1106
00:39:38,630 --> 00:39:35,359
you know jeremy corbell going on

1107
00:39:40,710 --> 00:39:38,640
like national tv and saying that the us

1108
00:39:42,790 --> 00:39:40,720
government without doubt has is in

1109
00:39:44,310 --> 00:39:42,800
possession of alien extraterrestrial

1110
00:39:47,430 --> 00:39:44,320
spacecraft and it's like

1111
00:39:50,150 --> 00:39:47,440
no one's really challenging i mean

1112
00:39:51,990 --> 00:39:50,160
as a journalist i'd be like huh how do

1113
00:39:53,910 --> 00:39:52,000
you know that

1114
00:39:56,630 --> 00:39:53,920
ah there's evidence huh what's the

1115
00:39:57,910 --> 00:39:56,640
evidence huh that doesn't really sound

1116
00:40:00,870 --> 00:39:57,920
like evidence you know

1117
00:40:01,670 --> 00:40:00,880
like no one's challenging no one's doing

1118
00:40:03,750 --> 00:40:01,680
the very

1119
00:40:05,589 --> 00:40:03,760
basic journalism when it comes to the

1120
00:40:08,630 --> 00:40:05,599
stuff it's just this

1121
00:40:10,870 --> 00:40:08,640
this three-ring circus and and

1122
00:40:11,990 --> 00:40:10,880
um let me backtrack a little bit in that

1123
00:40:14,230 --> 00:40:12,000
you know

1124
00:40:15,270 --> 00:40:14,240
one of the red flags for a journalist

1125
00:40:18,309 --> 00:40:15,280
like me is

1126
00:40:18,870 --> 00:40:18,319
if someone can't answer or refuses to

1127
00:40:22,550 --> 00:40:18,880
answer

1128
00:40:24,069 --> 00:40:22,560
a basic question it's a red flag

1129
00:40:26,150 --> 00:40:24,079
it's a red flag that they either don't

1130
00:40:29,349 --> 00:40:26,160
know or they're hiding something

1131
00:40:30,309 --> 00:40:29,359
um and when that same question goes

1132
00:40:33,910 --> 00:40:30,319
unanswered

1133
00:40:37,510 --> 00:40:33,920
to multiple groups you begin to realize

1134
00:40:38,390 --> 00:40:37,520
there's just nothing there um i grew up

1135
00:40:41,430 --> 00:40:38,400
uh

1136
00:40:43,829 --> 00:40:41,440
mormon in the mormon religion you know

1137
00:40:44,950 --> 00:40:43,839
book of mormon missionary al the whole

1138
00:40:48,309 --> 00:40:44,960
spiel

1139
00:40:49,190 --> 00:40:48,319
and the reason i left the church was

1140
00:40:53,109 --> 00:40:49,200
because i started

1141
00:40:54,870 --> 00:40:53,119
asking basic very basic questions

1142
00:40:56,230 --> 00:40:54,880
like to people who should know the

1143
00:40:58,390 --> 00:40:56,240
answers you know

1144
00:40:59,430 --> 00:40:58,400
i was just asking very basic questions

1145
00:41:02,069 --> 00:40:59,440
uh you know

1146
00:41:03,750 --> 00:41:02,079
joseph smith for example joseph smith

1147
00:41:06,470 --> 00:41:03,760
was the founder of mormon church in the

1148
00:41:07,829 --> 00:41:06,480
1800s and he's regarded as a prophet of

1149
00:41:09,910 --> 00:41:07,839
god in mormon church and

1150
00:41:11,349 --> 00:41:09,920
i was i would ask questions like hey i

1151
00:41:13,190 --> 00:41:11,359
just found this court document from the

1152
00:41:14,069 --> 00:41:13,200
1800s saying that he was charged with

1153
00:41:17,349 --> 00:41:14,079
fraud for x

1154
00:41:17,990 --> 00:41:17,359
y and z uh why don't what do you say

1155
00:41:20,150 --> 00:41:18,000
about that

1156
00:41:21,349 --> 00:41:20,160
and just blank expressions and not being

1157
00:41:22,950 --> 00:41:21,359
able to answer

1158
00:41:25,750 --> 00:41:22,960
and it was just a red flag to me that

1159
00:41:27,910 --> 00:41:25,760
like oh okay so it's

1160
00:41:29,670 --> 00:41:27,920
you know it's not true okay got it thank

1161
00:41:31,109 --> 00:41:29,680
you for not answering because now it's

1162
00:41:33,589 --> 00:41:31,119
crystal clear to me

1163
00:41:34,710 --> 00:41:33,599
that it's all based on folklore and it's

1164
00:41:37,750 --> 00:41:34,720
based on

1165
00:41:38,150 --> 00:41:37,760
embellished stories and so when i when i

1166
00:41:40,150 --> 00:41:38,160
ask

1167
00:41:41,829 --> 00:41:40,160
basic questions you know when jeremy

1168
00:41:44,630 --> 00:41:41,839
corbell says something on twitter

1169
00:41:45,750 --> 00:41:44,640
and i all i ask is what evidence

1170
00:41:48,950 --> 00:41:45,760
literally that's it

1171
00:41:51,750 --> 00:41:48,960
what evidence when when uh ufo

1172
00:41:52,950 --> 00:41:51,760
reddit says there's overwhelming

1173
00:41:55,270 --> 00:41:52,960
evidence that

1174
00:41:57,109 --> 00:41:55,280
you know the government did x y and z

1175
00:42:00,630 --> 00:41:57,119
and then i just ask

1176
00:42:02,870 --> 00:42:00,640
okay overwhelming evidence name me one

1177
00:42:05,190 --> 00:42:02,880
piece of evidence and people lose their

1178
00:42:09,109 --> 00:42:05,200
minds it's just a

1179
00:42:10,309 --> 00:42:09,119
red flag to me that um

1180
00:42:12,150 --> 00:42:10,319
because i don't want to get lost in

1181
00:42:13,990 --> 00:42:12,160
those weeds i don't want to become part

1182
00:42:17,109 --> 00:42:14,000
of a religious movement

1183
00:42:17,750 --> 00:42:17,119
i don't want to become part of uh people

1184
00:42:21,510 --> 00:42:17,760
who are

1185
00:42:23,109 --> 00:42:21,520
on faith alone um pushing a story

1186
00:42:24,230 --> 00:42:23,119
and that's not me and that's not what i

1187
00:42:25,910 --> 00:42:24,240
want to do i just want to find out

1188
00:42:26,790 --> 00:42:25,920
what's going on and get to the bottom of

1189
00:42:28,470 --> 00:42:26,800
it

1190
00:42:30,150 --> 00:42:28,480
no that's some good stuff and couple of

1191
00:42:31,990 --> 00:42:30,160
things first one mike

1192
00:42:33,430 --> 00:42:32,000
listener question uh that's been

1193
00:42:34,790 --> 00:42:33,440
answered for you because you asked about

1194
00:42:36,309 --> 00:42:34,800
some of the best investigative

1195
00:42:37,750 --> 00:42:36,319
journalists in the phenomenon

1196
00:42:39,829 --> 00:42:37,760
steven's giving you a good list there to

1197
00:42:41,109 --> 00:42:39,839
go back and check out and i would agree

1198
00:42:43,430 --> 00:42:41,119
with those as well

1199
00:42:44,630 --> 00:42:43,440
um also on the mormon side of things

1200
00:42:46,630 --> 00:42:44,640
i've seen the book of mormon

1201
00:42:47,750 --> 00:42:46,640
very funny and also the south park

1202
00:42:49,670 --> 00:42:47,760
episode on it is

1203
00:42:50,790 --> 00:42:49,680
education at its best if people want to

1204
00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:50,800
check those out

1205
00:42:54,630 --> 00:42:53,520
um but listen i i was going to ask you

1206
00:42:56,710 --> 00:42:54,640
as you started to

1207
00:42:59,349 --> 00:42:56,720
to talk if it was jeremy corbell was one

1208
00:43:01,349 --> 00:42:59,359
of those names that was frustrating you

1209
00:43:03,750 --> 00:43:01,359
because he has become a very divisive

1210
00:43:05,750 --> 00:43:03,760
character especially of late

1211
00:43:08,470 --> 00:43:05,760
and in the ufo community with the

1212
00:43:10,470 --> 00:43:08,480
instagram posts and hyping things up

1213
00:43:11,990 --> 00:43:10,480
i've i've shared before stephen and i

1214
00:43:15,510 --> 00:43:12,000
don't know if you see this that

1215
00:43:17,589 --> 00:43:15,520
jeremy corbell um is doing some work

1216
00:43:19,030 --> 00:43:17,599
as yet whether it's positive or negative

1217
00:43:21,270 --> 00:43:19,040
we can't quite tell

1218
00:43:22,069 --> 00:43:21,280
and and breaking it seems to be breaking

1219
00:43:25,030 --> 00:43:22,079
stories and

1220
00:43:27,910 --> 00:43:25,040
sharing leaked footage do you get a

1221
00:43:29,750 --> 00:43:27,920
sense that jeremy corbett as a character

1222
00:43:31,190 --> 00:43:29,760
is enjoying the niche that he is

1223
00:43:33,430 --> 00:43:31,200
managing to carve out

1224
00:43:35,030 --> 00:43:33,440
that he potentially could be the face of

1225
00:43:37,589 --> 00:43:35,040
this for tmz

1226
00:43:38,230 --> 00:43:37,599
because that's the type it seems that

1227
00:43:40,710 --> 00:43:38,240
you know when

1228
00:43:41,829 --> 00:43:40,720
when bob lazar goes on joe rogan it

1229
00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:41,839
becomes

1230
00:43:48,230 --> 00:43:46,000
wobbler jeremy corbell being interviewed

1231
00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:48,240
if you get what i'm getting at yeah you

1232
00:43:50,870 --> 00:43:49,920
know i don't want to speak to jeremy

1233
00:43:53,589 --> 00:43:50,880
corbell and look

1234
00:43:55,030 --> 00:43:53,599
jeremy does what he does like amazingly

1235
00:43:56,550 --> 00:43:55,040
i mean the proof is in the pudding when

1236
00:43:58,150 --> 00:43:56,560
it comes to jeremy corbell he does what

1237
00:44:01,829 --> 00:43:58,160
he does and he does it well

1238
00:44:03,510 --> 00:44:01,839
now i can't look i i uh

1239
00:44:05,190 --> 00:44:03,520
with this whole story i look at who's

1240
00:44:07,349 --> 00:44:05,200
saying what and who's the media

1241
00:44:07,990 --> 00:44:07,359
gravitating towards who's releasing the

1242
00:44:09,829 --> 00:44:08,000
information

1243
00:44:11,510 --> 00:44:09,839
where do they get it so obviously i have

1244
00:44:14,790 --> 00:44:11,520
to look at jeremy corbell

1245
00:44:15,109 --> 00:44:14,800
and at first i was like oh wow like this

1246
00:44:18,870 --> 00:44:15,119
is

1247
00:44:21,270 --> 00:44:18,880
shot by navy personnel

1248
00:44:23,670 --> 00:44:21,280
they're validating the source that it

1249
00:44:27,349 --> 00:44:23,680
came from the military

1250
00:44:30,069 --> 00:44:27,359
that's great but beyond that

1251
00:44:30,790 --> 00:44:30,079
uh they haven't said what it is the

1252
00:44:32,470 --> 00:44:30,800
pentagon has

1253
00:44:34,790 --> 00:44:32,480
said nothing they haven't even said if

1254
00:44:36,470 --> 00:44:34,800
it remains identified or unidentified

1255
00:44:38,230 --> 00:44:36,480
it very well could be within the halls

1256
00:44:39,270 --> 00:44:38,240
of the pentagon be identified they know

1257
00:44:42,630 --> 00:44:39,280
what it is

1258
00:44:45,349 --> 00:44:42,640
um but you've got people

1259
00:44:45,829 --> 00:44:45,359
like jeremy saying they know what it is

1260
00:44:49,910 --> 00:44:45,839
and

1261
00:44:51,910 --> 00:44:49,920
i was

1262
00:44:54,230 --> 00:44:51,920
on online and people were saying oh the

1263
00:44:57,430 --> 00:44:54,240
uss omaha those objects that are on this

1264
00:44:58,309 --> 00:44:57,440
jeremy's video they were summoned from

1265
00:45:01,510 --> 00:44:58,319
the ocean

1266
00:45:03,670 --> 00:45:01,520
beneath they were summoned by the navy

1267
00:45:05,349 --> 00:45:03,680
to reveal themselves and i'm just like

1268
00:45:08,790 --> 00:45:05,359
jesus christ

1269
00:45:10,950 --> 00:45:08,800
like no like we can't

1270
00:45:11,829 --> 00:45:10,960
dude i'm fine with that explanation but

1271
00:45:13,510 --> 00:45:11,839
we can't just

1272
00:45:15,510 --> 00:45:13,520
jump there we have to get there by

1273
00:45:16,550 --> 00:45:15,520
saying oh here's this and here's the

1274
00:45:18,470 --> 00:45:16,560
whistleblower and here's the

1275
00:45:21,670 --> 00:45:18,480
documentation and here's the uh

1276
00:45:23,750 --> 00:45:21,680
an another witness and and but

1277
00:45:24,950 --> 00:45:23,760
it's just a circus it's out of control

1278
00:45:31,990 --> 00:45:24,960
it's anarchy

1279
00:45:33,589 --> 00:45:32,000
when uh i'm fine with jeremy corbell

1280
00:45:34,309 --> 00:45:33,599
releasing this but that's where we

1281
00:45:36,069 --> 00:45:34,319
should stop

1282
00:45:38,550 --> 00:45:36,079
it's it's footage we don't know what it

1283
00:45:40,790 --> 00:45:38,560
is here's probably what it could be

1284
00:45:42,150 --> 00:45:40,800
the end that's that's all we know right

1285
00:45:44,390 --> 00:45:42,160
now to say anything

1286
00:45:45,510 --> 00:45:44,400
above and beyond that is ridiculous in

1287
00:45:48,150 --> 00:45:45,520
my opinion

1288
00:45:49,109 --> 00:45:48,160
yeah so you think it's a bit of a

1289
00:45:51,430 --> 00:45:49,119
byproduct

1290
00:45:53,430 --> 00:45:51,440
of we seem to be on a bit of a roller

1291
00:45:54,550 --> 00:45:53,440
coaster and the biggest peak we've got

1292
00:45:56,470 --> 00:45:54,560
to so far

1293
00:45:58,790 --> 00:45:56,480
was the the release of the task force

1294
00:46:00,230 --> 00:45:58,800
report and i think since then we've seen

1295
00:46:02,309 --> 00:46:00,240
it kind of slow steady

1296
00:46:03,910 --> 00:46:02,319
back downhill things have got a little

1297
00:46:05,990 --> 00:46:03,920
quieter some people have announced

1298
00:46:07,750 --> 00:46:06,000
they're taking breaks from social media

1299
00:46:09,910 --> 00:46:07,760
they're going to dip out of ufos for a

1300
00:46:12,069 --> 00:46:09,920
while all that kind of stuff because

1301
00:46:12,950 --> 00:46:12,079
it's such a big hype it's like you know

1302
00:46:15,349 --> 00:46:12,960
waiting for the

1303
00:46:16,710 --> 00:46:15,359
avengers endgame movie you you wait for

1304
00:46:18,150 --> 00:46:16,720
so long to see this film

1305
00:46:21,030 --> 00:46:18,160
and it's either what you want it to be

1306
00:46:24,630 --> 00:46:21,040
or it's not what you just said

1307
00:46:27,829 --> 00:46:24,640
perfect it is exactly

1308
00:46:30,550 --> 00:46:27,839
exactly like waiting for the final

1309
00:46:31,589 --> 00:46:30,560
avengers movie it is exactly like the

1310
00:46:34,550 --> 00:46:31,599
marvel movie

1311
00:46:35,990 --> 00:46:34,560
the the or you're at your star wars fans

1312
00:46:37,510 --> 00:46:36,000
your marvel fans

1313
00:46:39,750 --> 00:46:37,520
that's what they're waiting for and then

1314
00:46:40,390 --> 00:46:39,760
they're let down if spider-man doesn't

1315
00:46:42,870 --> 00:46:40,400
like

1316
00:46:44,309 --> 00:46:42,880
kill whoever or come back you know

1317
00:46:44,950 --> 00:46:44,319
they're like i thought spider-man was

1318
00:46:46,309 --> 00:46:44,960
going to do that

1319
00:46:49,030 --> 00:46:46,319
but you're talking about something

1320
00:46:51,349 --> 00:46:49,040
fictional that doesn't really exist

1321
00:46:53,270 --> 00:46:51,359
that only exists in your head because

1322
00:46:56,150 --> 00:46:53,280
you wish it to be true

1323
00:46:57,589 --> 00:46:56,160
and that doesn't make it true and like i

1324
00:47:00,790 --> 00:46:57,599
am trying

1325
00:47:03,670 --> 00:47:00,800
my damnedest online through asking

1326
00:47:04,230 --> 00:47:03,680
basic questions to get people to snap

1327
00:47:07,990 --> 00:47:04,240
out of it

1328
00:47:09,750 --> 00:47:08,000
and go okay what

1329
00:47:11,589 --> 00:47:09,760
what's really going on here what do we

1330
00:47:14,230 --> 00:47:11,599
really actually

1331
00:47:16,069 --> 00:47:14,240
know and it's my current opinion that

1332
00:47:18,550 --> 00:47:16,079
most of the ufo sightings

1333
00:47:19,589 --> 00:47:18,560
as of late including the off the east

1334
00:47:22,309 --> 00:47:19,599
coast

1335
00:47:25,190 --> 00:47:22,319
um in 2015 2014 there's highly

1336
00:47:27,190 --> 00:47:25,200
documented daily cases

1337
00:47:28,790 --> 00:47:27,200
are not extraordinary or not

1338
00:47:32,309 --> 00:47:28,800
otherworldly and i believe

1339
00:47:33,430 --> 00:47:32,319
they very well could be adversarial

1340
00:47:36,390 --> 00:47:33,440
spycraft

1341
00:47:37,829 --> 00:47:36,400
right over our airspace and nothing and

1342
00:47:40,230 --> 00:47:37,839
no one is screaming

1343
00:47:41,510 --> 00:47:40,240
about it no one no one's covering it no

1344
00:47:44,790 --> 00:47:41,520
one's talking about it

1345
00:47:46,790 --> 00:47:44,800
the the pentagon is lucky

1346
00:47:47,829 --> 00:47:46,800
so lucky that everyone's talking about

1347
00:47:50,309 --> 00:47:47,839
aliens

1348
00:47:51,510 --> 00:47:50,319
because if in my if it was russia and it

1349
00:47:53,030 --> 00:47:51,520
was china

1350
00:47:54,950 --> 00:47:53,040
that'd be their fault that'd be a

1351
00:47:57,270 --> 00:47:54,960
failure of intelligence you know

1352
00:47:58,549 --> 00:47:57,280
potentially eclipsing 911 and right

1353
00:48:00,630 --> 00:47:58,559
there on our shores

1354
00:48:02,790 --> 00:48:00,640
they're lucky everyone's talking about

1355
00:48:04,870 --> 00:48:02,800
intergalactic spacecraft

1356
00:48:05,910 --> 00:48:04,880
yeah and i don't doubt that from from a

1357
00:48:07,270 --> 00:48:05,920
military point of view

1358
00:48:09,109 --> 00:48:07,280
you're absolutely spot on that that

1359
00:48:10,950 --> 00:48:09,119
would be a huge failure for for a

1360
00:48:12,950 --> 00:48:10,960
military with what two trillion dollar

1361
00:48:14,390 --> 00:48:12,960
budget or whatever the the us military's

1362
00:48:17,670 --> 00:48:14,400
defense budget is

1363
00:48:20,069 --> 00:48:17,680
um it's it would be a massive failing on

1364
00:48:22,710 --> 00:48:20,079
their part and embarrassing as well

1365
00:48:24,390 --> 00:48:22,720
but i i don't doubt that some of these

1366
00:48:26,710 --> 00:48:24,400
sightings or experiences

1367
00:48:28,710 --> 00:48:26,720
are adversarial tech and you know what i

1368
00:48:31,510 --> 00:48:28,720
couldn't write off it still being

1369
00:48:33,030 --> 00:48:31,520
sometimes us tech because you know when

1370
00:48:35,190 --> 00:48:33,040
people say the us government wouldn't

1371
00:48:37,030 --> 00:48:35,200
test its own stuff on its own people

1372
00:48:38,309 --> 00:48:37,040
i think any government pretty much is

1373
00:48:41,510 --> 00:48:38,319
guilty of that as well so

1374
00:48:42,950 --> 00:48:41,520
you can't write it off however

1375
00:48:45,510 --> 00:48:42,960
that's a lot of stuff i do want to come

1376
00:48:47,349 --> 00:48:45,520
back in on that stephen

1377
00:48:49,109 --> 00:48:47,359
you can you're gonna ask a follow-up i

1378
00:48:51,589 --> 00:48:49,119
could come back in on it

1379
00:48:53,430 --> 00:48:51,599
i i'm gonna go off that so if you want

1380
00:48:55,990 --> 00:48:53,440
to come back

1381
00:48:58,390 --> 00:48:56,000
one more thing jeremy inadvertently said

1382
00:49:02,150 --> 00:48:58,400
something on twitter that i agreed with

1383
00:49:03,910 --> 00:49:02,160
100 and i was so glad he said it but i

1384
00:49:06,230 --> 00:49:03,920
think he couched it in a different way

1385
00:49:10,069 --> 00:49:06,240
than i would but i agreed with it

1386
00:49:13,589 --> 00:49:10,079
when it comes to the us omaha

1387
00:49:16,549 --> 00:49:13,599
footage about the swarm of ufos

1388
00:49:17,589 --> 00:49:16,559
i would call drones jeremy said these

1389
00:49:21,430 --> 00:49:17,599
objects

1390
00:49:23,589 --> 00:49:21,440
to be seen they were announcing

1391
00:49:26,470 --> 00:49:23,599
themselves and wanted to be seen

1392
00:49:27,510 --> 00:49:26,480
and that is true i agree with that a

1393
00:49:31,270 --> 00:49:27,520
hundred percent

1394
00:49:33,270 --> 00:49:31,280
without doubt uh because mike

1395
00:49:34,390 --> 00:49:33,280
without doubt uh according to my current

1396
00:49:37,510 --> 00:49:34,400
theory because

1397
00:49:39,190 --> 00:49:37,520
uh how historically

1398
00:49:41,030 --> 00:49:39,200
and this is historically prince said in

1399
00:49:41,990 --> 00:49:41,040
it if you look up the cia's project

1400
00:49:45,430 --> 00:49:42,000
palladium over

1401
00:49:46,870 --> 00:49:45,440
cuba in the 1960s the us launched

1402
00:49:49,910 --> 00:49:46,880
balloons

1403
00:49:52,309 --> 00:49:49,920
returns

1404
00:49:54,390 --> 00:49:52,319
the cubans and russians pinged those

1405
00:49:57,190 --> 00:49:54,400
balloons ping ping ping

1406
00:49:58,710 --> 00:49:57,200
and the us because of that were able to

1407
00:50:01,030 --> 00:49:58,720
um

1408
00:50:02,710 --> 00:50:01,040
observe collect information on their

1409
00:50:05,109 --> 00:50:02,720
electronic intelligence

1410
00:50:06,150 --> 00:50:05,119
where their weaknesses were where the

1411
00:50:08,150 --> 00:50:06,160
where they could uh

1412
00:50:09,510 --> 00:50:08,160
hide a spy plane and because of that

1413
00:50:13,670 --> 00:50:09,520
they were able to fly the

1414
00:50:15,829 --> 00:50:13,680
a12 ox cart which later became the sr-71

1415
00:50:17,430 --> 00:50:15,839
you know over cuba because they received

1416
00:50:20,150 --> 00:50:17,440
that information

1417
00:50:21,030 --> 00:50:20,160
they made they announced themselves this

1418
00:50:23,589 --> 00:50:21,040
is how you collect

1419
00:50:24,390 --> 00:50:23,599
electronic uh intelligence is you make

1420
00:50:27,510 --> 00:50:24,400
yourself known

1421
00:50:28,470 --> 00:50:27,520
and you make that ship ping you with

1422
00:50:30,790 --> 00:50:28,480
radar and x

1423
00:50:33,430 --> 00:50:30,800
electro optical and everything and that

1424
00:50:36,309 --> 00:50:33,440
and that payload is just absorbing

1425
00:50:37,109 --> 00:50:36,319
all of that and all that top secret

1426
00:50:39,750 --> 00:50:37,119
electronic

1427
00:50:41,589 --> 00:50:39,760
intelligence is very useful to an

1428
00:50:43,270 --> 00:50:41,599
adversary okay here's how they ping us

1429
00:50:45,510 --> 00:50:43,280
here's their reaction time

1430
00:50:47,829 --> 00:50:45,520
oh they upgraded their x y and z we know

1431
00:50:49,349 --> 00:50:47,839
that now we know their weaknesses now

1432
00:50:51,270 --> 00:50:49,359
they want to announce themselves they

1433
00:50:52,390 --> 00:50:51,280
want to be right there over the ship

1434
00:50:55,109 --> 00:50:52,400
because they're going to be paying so i

1435
00:50:56,790 --> 00:50:55,119
agree with jeremy they want to be seen

1436
00:50:58,309 --> 00:50:56,800
yeah and again like you say when it's

1437
00:50:59,990 --> 00:50:58,319
data collection like that from an

1438
00:51:01,670 --> 00:51:00,000
adversarial point of view i'm sure the

1439
00:51:04,710 --> 00:51:01,680
yeah the us do it the russians do it the

1440
00:51:06,549 --> 00:51:04,720
chinese do it other militaries do it

1441
00:51:08,069 --> 00:51:06,559
the more engagement the more information

1442
00:51:10,470 --> 00:51:08,079
they get back from that as well so it's

1443
00:51:13,109 --> 00:51:10,480
best just to observe as much as possible

1444
00:51:14,069 --> 00:51:13,119
now moving on from that you recently met

1445
00:51:17,589 --> 00:51:14,079
up with some of the

1446
00:51:19,589 --> 00:51:17,599
the group at uapx gary verhees and co

1447
00:51:21,270 --> 00:51:19,599
um a lot of people on there guys i've

1448
00:51:23,910 --> 00:51:21,280
spoken to a few times

1449
00:51:24,549 --> 00:51:23,920
now you said you saw something that's

1450
00:51:26,470 --> 00:51:24,559
you know

1451
00:51:28,150 --> 00:51:26,480
reignited your interest in the subject a

1452
00:51:29,750 --> 00:51:28,160
little bit now

1453
00:51:31,589 --> 00:51:29,760
what happened that you met up with the

1454
00:51:33,270 --> 00:51:31,599
group was that planned already or were

1455
00:51:35,829 --> 00:51:33,280
they just in the locale

1456
00:51:38,150 --> 00:51:35,839
and what was your experience with uapx

1457
00:51:40,069 --> 00:51:38,160
total coincidence just a total

1458
00:51:43,190 --> 00:51:40,079
coincidence they happened to be

1459
00:51:44,870 --> 00:51:43,200
10 minutes from me 10 minutes literally

1460
00:51:48,470 --> 00:51:44,880
10 minutes for me i had no

1461
00:51:52,150 --> 00:51:48,480
idea and uh you know jeremy

1462
00:51:53,750 --> 00:51:52,160
uh hit me up and he was like hey

1463
00:51:55,750 --> 00:51:53,760
like we're you're in california right

1464
00:51:57,190 --> 00:51:55,760
now yeah and we're here and i was like

1465
00:51:59,109 --> 00:51:57,200
holy crap that's 10 minutes for me so i

1466
00:51:59,589 --> 00:51:59,119
just drove up there to meet them because

1467
00:52:03,109 --> 00:51:59,599
i had

1468
00:52:06,309 --> 00:52:03,119
interviewed um you know ryan weigel

1469
00:52:07,109 --> 00:52:06,319
and jason turner uh for the basement

1470
00:52:08,630 --> 00:52:07,119
office

1471
00:52:10,470 --> 00:52:08,640
but i you know i never met them in

1472
00:52:11,589 --> 00:52:10,480
person and so i was like oh i want to go

1473
00:52:14,069 --> 00:52:11,599
up there and you know

1474
00:52:15,910 --> 00:52:14,079
i missed kevin day by just a few hours

1475
00:52:17,430 --> 00:52:15,920
he was gone but gary was there and it

1476
00:52:20,150 --> 00:52:17,440
was great to talk to gary

1477
00:52:21,990 --> 00:52:20,160
and these guys you know uapx has been

1478
00:52:25,270 --> 00:52:22,000
around for a while but

1479
00:52:25,910 --> 00:52:25,280
they've invested in tech like real data

1480
00:52:32,069 --> 00:52:25,920
collection

1481
00:52:36,309 --> 00:52:32,079
whether it be like gamma geiger

1482
00:52:39,109 --> 00:52:36,319
flear various radio waves

1483
00:52:39,990 --> 00:52:39,119
and they go around jeremy actually if

1484
00:52:42,470 --> 00:52:40,000
you look at

1485
00:52:44,470 --> 00:52:42,480
jeremy's uh twitter account he actually

1486
00:52:47,430 --> 00:52:44,480
has like a mobile

1487
00:52:48,870 --> 00:52:47,440
truck and this truck is osiris osiris

1488
00:52:50,470 --> 00:52:48,880
and it's like equipped with all this

1489
00:52:52,950 --> 00:52:50,480
great stuff and

1490
00:52:54,790 --> 00:52:52,960
and all it does is just collect raw data

1491
00:52:56,710 --> 00:52:54,800
and most of that raw data is either

1492
00:52:59,829 --> 00:52:56,720
empty or prosaic

1493
00:53:02,470 --> 00:52:59,839
but you know as you could see from

1494
00:53:03,510 --> 00:53:02,480
their past investigations sometimes they

1495
00:53:06,710 --> 00:53:03,520
get pinged

1496
00:53:09,990 --> 00:53:06,720
they find something that they can't

1497
00:53:11,109 --> 00:53:10,000
really identify and what was great was

1498
00:53:15,030 --> 00:53:11,119
just

1499
00:53:17,349 --> 00:53:15,040
of the tic tac

1500
00:53:18,069 --> 00:53:17,359
like who saw the tic tac with their eyes

1501
00:53:21,190 --> 00:53:18,079
like i'm

1502
00:53:23,910 --> 00:53:21,200
standing face to face with someone and

1503
00:53:25,190 --> 00:53:23,920
you can when i talk to someone and

1504
00:53:26,230 --> 00:53:25,200
they're talking to me and i'm looking at

1505
00:53:27,829 --> 00:53:26,240
them

1506
00:53:29,270 --> 00:53:27,839
i've been doing this for decades i can

1507
00:53:31,030 --> 00:53:29,280
gauge if someone is

1508
00:53:32,790 --> 00:53:31,040
pushing the boundaries embellishing or

1509
00:53:35,670 --> 00:53:32,800
something and like you know

1510
00:53:37,190 --> 00:53:35,680
talking to gary jason jeremy like i just

1511
00:53:39,910 --> 00:53:37,200
don't get that impression they're just

1512
00:53:41,349 --> 00:53:39,920
they're you know level-headed and and

1513
00:53:44,230 --> 00:53:41,359
focused on

1514
00:53:45,750 --> 00:53:44,240
on just the raw data anyway i can't get

1515
00:53:47,750 --> 00:53:45,760
into specifics because

1516
00:53:48,790 --> 00:53:47,760
i um because i don't want to speak for

1517
00:53:52,630 --> 00:53:48,800
them but

1518
00:53:55,430 --> 00:53:52,640
i i i will say that's what they do

1519
00:53:56,230 --> 00:53:55,440
they collect raw data and every once in

1520
00:53:58,150 --> 00:53:56,240
a while

1521
00:53:59,910 --> 00:53:58,160
they get something weird and they get

1522
00:54:02,950 --> 00:53:59,920
something strange

1523
00:54:06,390 --> 00:54:02,960
and to to

1524
00:54:09,349 --> 00:54:06,400
absorb that visually

1525
00:54:11,510 --> 00:54:09,359
from raw data is something else there

1526
00:54:14,230 --> 00:54:11,520
was no filter a media company a

1527
00:54:15,109 --> 00:54:14,240
a talking head didn't present that to me

1528
00:54:18,870 --> 00:54:15,119
just just

1529
00:54:21,910 --> 00:54:18,880
just to see the general raw data is

1530
00:54:23,589 --> 00:54:21,920
it's cool it's awesome can i just ask

1531
00:54:23,990 --> 00:54:23,599
then you can't go into detail which i

1532
00:54:26,309 --> 00:54:24,000
totally

1533
00:54:27,190 --> 00:54:26,319
respect and appreciate for comparison

1534
00:54:28,870 --> 00:54:27,200
though

1535
00:54:30,230 --> 00:54:28,880
what would the difference be between the

1536
00:54:33,030 --> 00:54:30,240
raw data you've seen

1537
00:54:34,390 --> 00:54:33,040
that you've obviously you know really

1538
00:54:37,109 --> 00:54:34,400
been intrigued by

1539
00:54:39,109 --> 00:54:37,119
and the the videos that corbell has

1540
00:54:41,349 --> 00:54:39,119
released with the radar and

1541
00:54:43,349 --> 00:54:41,359
what's what's been different to this raw

1542
00:54:46,470 --> 00:54:43,359
data from the apx that you feel

1543
00:54:51,430 --> 00:54:46,480
is more substantiated

1544
00:54:58,470 --> 00:54:55,430
it didn't go from a cell phone

1545
00:55:02,150 --> 00:54:58,480
to someone else's computer

1546
00:55:05,030 --> 00:55:02,160
to an email to an instagram account

1547
00:55:05,349 --> 00:55:05,040
to here's what this is it like i saw it

1548
00:55:13,430 --> 00:55:05,359
from

1549
00:55:14,470 --> 00:55:13,440
uh clear i guess there's one way i could

1550
00:55:18,549 --> 00:55:14,480
say it

1551
00:55:21,190 --> 00:55:18,559
no pixels so it's not it's not

1552
00:55:22,789 --> 00:55:21,200
so it's like yeah so it's like a footage

1553
00:55:24,549 --> 00:55:22,799
potentially yeah

1554
00:55:25,829 --> 00:55:24,559
yeah i just don't want to um speak for

1555
00:55:26,710 --> 00:55:25,839
them because they got their own thing

1556
00:55:29,109 --> 00:55:26,720
going but

1557
00:55:29,829 --> 00:55:29,119
i'll just say that like overall i was

1558
00:55:32,950 --> 00:55:29,839
floored and

1559
00:55:36,710 --> 00:55:32,960
impressed by their mission and

1560
00:55:38,630 --> 00:55:36,720
the reason why they do what they do and

1561
00:55:42,230 --> 00:55:38,640
impressed with the technology the raw

1562
00:55:44,630 --> 00:55:42,240
data and yeah these guys have

1563
00:55:45,990 --> 00:55:44,640
potentially captured some some cool

1564
00:55:48,150 --> 00:55:46,000
stuff

1565
00:55:49,109 --> 00:55:48,160
i'll just ask one more on that could you

1566
00:55:52,710 --> 00:55:49,119
say that mission

1567
00:55:55,670 --> 00:55:52,720
would be sponsored by tic tac

1568
00:55:57,750 --> 00:55:55,680
sponsor brother candy company no man tic

1569
00:56:01,270 --> 00:55:57,760
tac's been late to the party

1570
00:56:03,030 --> 00:56:01,280
tic tac was johnny come lately

1571
00:56:05,030 --> 00:56:03,040
they're all man on board now skittles

1572
00:56:06,789 --> 00:56:05,040
yeah the most recent one today

1573
00:56:08,549 --> 00:56:06,799
that's a skittles taster rainbow if

1574
00:56:10,870 --> 00:56:08,559
anyone's listening from school

1575
00:56:12,150 --> 00:56:10,880
but yeah listen we listen our questions

1576
00:56:12,710 --> 00:56:12,160
we've only got a couple of minutes left

1577
00:56:14,390 --> 00:56:12,720
stephen

1578
00:56:16,470 --> 00:56:14,400
uh you've answered a lot of those within

1579
00:56:18,390 --> 00:56:16,480
the body of the interview so barry rich

1580
00:56:19,829 --> 00:56:18,400
dave mike and others who sent those in

1581
00:56:21,349 --> 00:56:19,839
i've tried to include them

1582
00:56:23,750 --> 00:56:21,359
and most of it has come up within

1583
00:56:25,190 --> 00:56:23,760
stephen's answers i do want to finish on

1584
00:56:26,710 --> 00:56:25,200
the quick fire round stephen

1585
00:56:28,470 --> 00:56:26,720
which is where i'm just going to ask you

1586
00:56:29,910 --> 00:56:28,480
a few names or topics that we've not

1587
00:56:30,710 --> 00:56:29,920
touched on within the body of the

1588
00:56:32,390 --> 00:56:30,720
interview

1589
00:56:34,230 --> 00:56:32,400
and you can give me a short or as long

1590
00:56:37,430 --> 00:56:34,240
form and answer on each one as you like

1591
00:56:42,069 --> 00:56:37,440
if you don't mind sure so the first one

1592
00:56:50,150 --> 00:56:45,750
cool creepy interesting

1593
00:56:51,589 --> 00:56:50,160
um i'm not convinced

1594
00:56:53,109 --> 00:56:51,599
so you're leaning more on the

1595
00:56:55,670 --> 00:56:53,119
entertainment side of things with

1596
00:57:01,990 --> 00:56:55,680
skinwalker ranch

1597
00:57:07,670 --> 00:57:05,670
nah no not not convinced again

1598
00:57:09,349 --> 00:57:07,680
i don't really think about bob lazar man

1599
00:57:11,670 --> 00:57:09,359
um

1600
00:57:13,750 --> 00:57:11,680
no the answer is just that's all i can

1601
00:57:18,789 --> 00:57:13,760
say is no

1602
00:57:21,829 --> 00:57:21,109
lou elizondo is the reason the basement

1603
00:57:26,069 --> 00:57:21,839
office

1604
00:57:26,390 --> 00:57:26,079
exists lou elizondo is the reason i

1605
00:57:28,069 --> 00:57:26,400
we're

1606
00:57:29,990 --> 00:57:28,079
i'm talking to you right now lulu

1607
00:57:31,109 --> 00:57:30,000
elizondo is the reason any of us are

1608
00:57:35,589 --> 00:57:31,119
talking about this

1609
00:57:37,190 --> 00:57:35,599
at all um my impression of lou because i

1610
00:57:41,430 --> 00:57:37,200
have talked to him

1611
00:57:43,430 --> 00:57:41,440
is humble to the point

1612
00:57:44,470 --> 00:57:43,440
believes in what he's doing he's

1613
00:57:47,030 --> 00:57:44,480
passionate

1614
00:57:47,990 --> 00:57:47,040
wants to do the right thing that's my

1615
00:57:49,829 --> 00:57:48,000
impression

1616
00:57:51,430 --> 00:57:49,839
of him and i have no reason to believe

1617
00:57:53,910 --> 00:57:51,440
any of those are

1618
00:57:55,750 --> 00:57:53,920
are wrong yeah the reason i'm talking to

1619
00:57:56,630 --> 00:57:55,760
you and started this louis lazondo was a

1620
00:57:58,789 --> 00:57:56,640
big part of that

1621
00:57:59,829 --> 00:57:58,799
i'm lucky to have spoken to him and i

1622
00:58:01,829 --> 00:57:59,839
once got a two-star

1623
00:58:03,670 --> 00:58:01,839
itunes review because they loved the

1624
00:58:04,470 --> 00:58:03,680
podcast but i mentioned blue elizondo

1625
00:58:07,190 --> 00:58:04,480
too often

1626
00:58:07,990 --> 00:58:07,200
talking about current affairs so uh next

1627
00:58:14,150 --> 00:58:08,000
one is your

1628
00:58:20,390 --> 00:58:17,270
fire in the sky maybe

1629
00:58:22,870 --> 00:58:20,400
fire in the sky no no no i'm sorry i

1630
00:58:24,710 --> 00:58:22,880
i i'm wrong close encounters of the

1631
00:58:25,990 --> 00:58:24,720
third kind steven spielberg without a

1632
00:58:30,150 --> 00:58:26,000
doubt

1633
00:58:31,990 --> 00:58:30,160
elizondo's favorite movie because i

1634
00:58:33,910 --> 00:58:32,000
messaged and asked him for something i'm

1635
00:58:36,470 --> 00:58:33,920
doing soon what his favorite was

1636
00:58:38,150 --> 00:58:36,480
and uh lou said himself that that was

1637
00:58:40,630 --> 00:58:38,160
he'd only seen it recently

1638
00:58:41,349 --> 00:58:40,640
but he said steven spielberg was pretty

1639
00:58:43,750 --> 00:58:41,359
spot on

1640
00:58:44,710 --> 00:58:43,760
for for what he understands about things

1641
00:58:47,030 --> 00:58:44,720
so

1642
00:58:49,109 --> 00:58:47,040
that nobody people forget just how young

1643
00:58:51,270 --> 00:58:49,119
spielberg was when he made that movie i

1644
00:58:54,069 --> 00:58:51,280
believe he was 27

1645
00:58:55,349 --> 00:58:54,079
when he was 27 when he made close

1646
00:58:57,750 --> 00:58:55,359
encounters and that movie

1647
00:59:00,069 --> 00:58:57,760
is so much better than it needs to be

1648
00:59:02,230 --> 00:59:00,079
it's ridiculously good

1649
00:59:03,109 --> 00:59:02,240
yeah it's worth going back and watching

1650
00:59:04,789 --> 00:59:03,119
and if if he

1651
00:59:06,549 --> 00:59:04,799
that it's loyal azondo's favorite ufo

1652
00:59:07,990 --> 00:59:06,559
movie is worth making you go back and

1653
00:59:09,990 --> 00:59:08,000
watch it then do that

1654
00:59:14,549 --> 00:59:10,000
two more stephen do you prefer the term

1655
00:59:19,670 --> 00:59:18,069
i prefer ufo personally but i'm i'm

1656
00:59:23,190 --> 00:59:19,680
actually i think uap

1657
00:59:26,950 --> 00:59:23,200
says more ufo says

1658
00:59:28,309 --> 00:59:26,960
object uap says phenomena and phenomena

1659
00:59:31,430 --> 00:59:28,319
makes you go

1660
00:59:33,190 --> 00:59:31,440
what you know object just says object

1661
00:59:37,829 --> 00:59:33,200
but i i actually kind of dig

1662
00:59:38,549 --> 00:59:37,839
phenomena yeah ufos bob lazar uaps eric

1663
00:59:41,750 --> 00:59:38,559
davis

1664
00:59:44,950 --> 00:59:41,760
um finally what does disclosure mean to

1665
00:59:49,430 --> 00:59:48,069
disclosure means to me what disclosure

1666
00:59:52,950 --> 00:59:49,440
means to me

1667
00:59:57,190 --> 00:59:52,960
is uh

1668
01:00:01,030 --> 00:59:57,200
not being what disclosure means to me

1669
01:00:03,589 --> 01:00:01,040
is not being thirsty for disclosure

1670
01:00:05,750 --> 01:00:03,599
not being hungry for disclosure just

1671
01:00:06,710 --> 01:00:05,760
what disclosure means to me is ignoring

1672
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disclosure

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because if if i get if i get focused

1674
01:00:13,589 --> 01:00:11,680
i want disclosure that's all i'm going

1675
01:00:14,470 --> 01:00:13,599
to focus on i i want to know what's

1676
01:00:16,390 --> 01:00:14,480
going on

1677
01:00:18,710 --> 01:00:16,400
and i think there's something stinks

1678
01:00:21,109 --> 01:00:18,720
something stinks at the pentagon

1679
01:00:22,230 --> 01:00:21,119
and i don't wanna i don't wanna jump on

1680
01:00:24,390 --> 01:00:22,240
a bandwagon

1681
01:00:26,390 --> 01:00:24,400
because i don't know if that bandwagon

1682
01:00:30,549 --> 01:00:26,400
was put there

1683
01:00:33,109 --> 01:00:30,559
by the pentagon you know so disclosure

1684
01:00:33,750 --> 01:00:33,119
it could be quite a few things i don't

1685
01:00:37,589 --> 01:00:33,760
want to

1686
01:00:41,270 --> 01:00:39,109
stephen it's been great speaking with

1687
01:00:42,710 --> 01:00:41,280
you and i hope personally you don't

1688
01:00:44,549 --> 01:00:42,720
leave the bandwagon i know you've had

1689
01:00:47,270 --> 01:00:44,559
those frustrations recently but

1690
01:00:47,829 --> 01:00:47,280
hopefully your experiences with uapx and

1691
01:00:50,150 --> 01:00:47,839
you know

1692
01:00:51,750 --> 01:00:50,160
the basement office comes back and it's

1693
01:00:52,230 --> 01:00:51,760
definitely got its place and you're a

1694
01:00:54,789 --> 01:00:52,240
very

1695
01:00:56,630 --> 01:00:54,799
good personality and journalist to have

1696
01:00:59,190 --> 01:00:56,640
on board on the topic as well

1697
01:01:00,710 --> 01:00:59,200
how can people find you and follow you

1698
01:01:04,150 --> 01:01:00,720
and your work

1699
01:01:07,349 --> 01:01:04,160
uh i am on twitter daily at

1700
01:01:10,230 --> 01:01:07,359
my handle is at middle of mayhem

1701
01:01:11,990 --> 01:01:10,240
middle of mayhem on twitter you can go

1702
01:01:15,670 --> 01:01:12,000
to youtube.combackslash

1703
01:01:17,510 --> 01:01:15,680
ny post and the playlist with all the

1704
01:01:20,870 --> 01:01:17,520
episodes of the basement office

1705
01:01:21,990 --> 01:01:20,880
is there if you want to find out what i

1706
01:01:24,829 --> 01:01:22,000
did for the

1707
01:01:27,109 --> 01:01:24,839
for most of my life you can go to

1708
01:01:28,710 --> 01:01:27,119
stephengreenstreet.com

1709
01:01:30,710 --> 01:01:28,720
awesome and all those links will be

1710
01:01:31,430 --> 01:01:30,720
included as well within the description

1711
01:01:32,870 --> 01:01:31,440
of the show

1712
01:01:34,549 --> 01:01:32,880
stephen good to speak with you and

1713
01:01:36,549 --> 01:01:34,559
hopefully we get to do it again

1714
01:01:38,230 --> 01:01:36,559
heck yeah this was awesome thank you

1715
01:01:40,309 --> 01:01:38,240
cheers steven

1716
01:01:41,990 --> 01:01:40,319
that is all for this week's show thank

1717
01:01:43,829 --> 01:01:42,000
you very much for listening

1718
01:01:45,990 --> 01:01:43,839
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1719
01:01:48,710 --> 01:01:46,000
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1720
01:01:50,630 --> 01:01:48,720
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1721
01:01:52,069 --> 01:01:50,640
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1722
01:01:54,150 --> 01:01:52,079
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1723
01:01:56,150 --> 01:01:54,160
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1724
01:01:58,789 --> 01:01:56,160
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1725
01:02:00,069 --> 01:01:58,799
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1726
01:02:02,309 --> 01:02:00,079
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1727
01:02:04,470 --> 01:02:02,319
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1728
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1729
01:02:10,390 --> 01:02:08,319
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1730
01:02:40,570 --> 01:02:10,400
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1731
01:02:40,580 --> 01:02:49,510
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1732
01:03:14,789 --> 01:02:51,029
i can't imagine how it could have been

1733
01:03:19,630 --> 01:03:16,150
they thought this was noise they thought

1734
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:28,829
[Music]

1735
01:03:28,839 --> 01:03:38,230
toys

1736
01:03:48,710 --> 01:03:44,090
over there

1737
01:03:58,280 --> 01:03:48,720
[Music]

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01:04:13,130 --> 01:03:58,290
for being serious

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01:04:27,770 --> 01:04:24,829
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